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Subject: timesheets or not?

eiskho profile
eiskho wrote on Nov 30, 2011

i manage a small nonprofit organisation in the academia sector (only 10 staff), and six of our staff are phd fellows who spend 30% of their time on the organization, and the remaining 70% on their research. there is currently nothing in place that tracks how much time they spend on the organization's work, and i'm wondering whether introducing a timesheet system would be beneficial, or could that harm the very open and friendly culture? my problem is that the entire organization is very loose, i.e. no proper procedures or systems, and for me coming into this environment, i find it a little difficult to manage. would appreciate some insights from others...

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MelBelle profile
MelBelle wrote on Nov 30, 2011

Hi eiskho, are they supposed to be doing your work 100% of the time or is the 30/70% split what they are meant to be doing? Is their research related to the work of your nonprofit organisation? Keen to find out more about how it should work....

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micah profile
micah wrote on Nov 30, 2011

As a general rule I would advise against time sheets. They tend to smack of micro-management and can result in a loss of goodwill. Also, timesheets measure activity, not results - so if they do make a difference it tends to be increased busyness, which is not the same thing as increased productivity.

I think that in this respect timesheets and associated systems are attempts to compensate for a lack of clear agreed outcomes. Ideally, everyone on the team should have clear targets and outcomes that feed directly into your organisation's equally clear targeted outcomes. If people are achieving their agreed outcomes, and the organisation is achieving its goals then there isn't really a problem.

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eiskho profile
eiskho wrote on Nov 30, 2011
@MelBelle: their research is not directly linked to the organization's work. our focus is on integrating the issue of sustainability into the teaching of business and economics in higher education. while their research is linked to sustainability, it does not further the cause of our organization. so as far as org work is concerned, they are only required to spend 30% of their time.
 
@micah: i appreciate your comments. i come from a consultancy background, and know the pros and cons of time sheets. my frustration is that the organization was managed very loosely prior to my joining, and i cannot see how we can continue to develop in such a loose environment. none of the employees have any clear objectives or outcomes, so perhaps that is a starting point... however, i can't help thinking that introducing some formal structures would help 'professionalize' the organization more than it is now...
 

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WEditor profile
WEditor wrote on Dec 01, 2011

Hi there eiskho, thanks for posting your question here.

You might find the following pages useful to give you ideas for boosting performance and cohesion rather than going down the timesheets route:

Do others here have experience they could share about how to manage a self managing team?

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ConsultantMGW profile
ConsultantMGW wrote on Jan 25, 2012

Exactly what Micah said.

The only time that time sheets tend to be required are when you have to prove to your donor the financial expenditure of the money they're putting in. So - when the Donor specifically asks for evidence of man hours in order to justify their investment.

If you don't have to provide time sheets for a stakeholder, I wouldn't. They often create a lot of paperwork with little payback.

Having said that, they can be an interesting surprise tool when you think that someone isn't pulling their weight. Introducing them for a couple of months can psychologically jolt people into turning up on time if they weren't before. Or faking their time sheet if they're that way inclined ;)

Introducing them for a couple of months might be a way to gather data regarding use of time amongst staff. However, you'd need to emphasise that it's just an admin exercise and that they should fill them in 'honestly'. Otherwise people are likely to write down what they know you want to see, and you're none the wiser to the actual reality of the situation.

All of that aside - Micha's 100% right about results charts. The best theory is that, so long as the work that needs to be done is getting done, people can manage their own time.

For that to work, you need a clear results plan. Make sure it is a results plan and not just a Gantt chart saying: 'we will do this and this...'

You say: "...loose environment. none of the employees have any clear objectives or outcomes"

First off - 'loose environment' is a very loose way of putting it. Might help to pin down exactly what is unsatisfactory about it. In bulletpoints, with evidence.

Once you have that, you can set your clear objectives and outcomes.

You can't introduce a formal structure until you can clearly define what isn't working, and the impact that's having. That's where you need to start - a little research.

All the best with it.

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ConsultantMGW profile
ConsultantMGW wrote on Jan 25, 2012

Sorry for the wall of text, I'm still struggling with line separation.

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ConsultantMGW profile
ConsultantMGW wrote on Jan 25, 2012

And don't seem to be able to go back and edit my posts...

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eiskho profile
eiskho wrote on Jan 26, 2012

thanks for your comments everyone....the world of managing a nonprofit is certainly a far cry from life as a management consultant! :) a welcome change, but very different dynamics, and i'm enjoying the steep learning curve...

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ConsultantMGW profile
ConsultantMGW wrote on Feb 01, 2012

I'm a member of the Operational Research Society. They have a working group on OR in the Third Sector. If you're serious about getting some advice on improving the efficiency of your organisation, it might be worth contacting them. They're trialing volunteering OR professionals within the VolSec - you might be a challenge they're up for taking on. Ask for an 'OR in the Third Sector' contact. If you have trouble locating them, drop me a direct line.

All the best with it.

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brjohnny profile
brjohnny wrote on Feb 29, 2012
If this work involves having them do their tasks on the computer majority of the time, then I'd say you go for a timesheet system. You need to have something to at least track the work hours

of your employees. Of course, this should be an automated tool to help you become more efficient, organized and best of all productive.

I also don't think this could harm your open and very friendly culture. I have long implemented this system to my employees and so far everything is good. It has even greatly helped us. As long as they know up to what extent they are tracked and monitored (given that it is non-invasive too) and that this will help in the overall productivity, then everything should be fine.

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HRBird profile
HRBird wrote on Apr 22, 2012

I guess the question is what timesheets will add to your organisation - besides recording hours for the sake of funding, payroll or ensuring that staff do not work beyond (or below) their hours (ie work life balance).

If it's about managing performance, maybe set up a structure to manage how staff are meeting your organisation's goals. You'll find more performance management/appraisal guidance and templates here.

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